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Moores_Ghost Watched that video yesterday. Loved it. I have a couple of FX machines left and knew it should be possible but hadn't tried it. It was nice to see it. I need to give it a shot. One system has a 5.2 Ghz all core OC w/32GB DDR3 2133. I'd like to see if i could get a stable 45 fps. For me, 45 fps is a good spot for control latency. Reply
wakuwaku In a new video by Fully Buffered, Battlefield 6 is shown running on an almost ancient FX-9590 CPU from AMD's Bulldozer era, over a decade ago, which doesn't support TPM. Look, I know part of the contract here at Future is to not read user comments and criticism so I know you wont read this and improve yourself, but I hope others will and will not become like Future writers. Bulldozer did not have an integrated TPM is not the same as does not support TPM. Bulldozer does support usage of TPM on motherboards that have external TPM pin connectors on the board. And no you do not need an a business, enterprise or server motherboard, there are consumer boards that have them. And no I am not hallucinating like your AI here Mr. Tom. I legitimately have an old bulldozer system that at one point experimented with buying a TPM module to try installing Windows 11 directly without modifying the iso to bypass any requirements. And yes it worked just fine. I am no more running that system but I assure you i still have it ready to rock provided it hasn't died by itself in the cupboard. edit: In fact, checking the user manual for the M5A99FX PRO R2.0 mentioned in the article, that motherboard too supported external TPM. So please learn to do proper research dear Tom's writer. Reply
bigdragon I have an Asrock x79 motherboard from that era. It also supported UEFI Secure Boot and had a TPM header with BIOS support should you plug one in. You could get Windows 7 to use Secure Boot when doing UEFI boot. You could also manage your own Secure Boot certs and hashes no problem. Systems of that time period absolutely could be made to support the latest obtrusive anti-cheat, but not in a plug-and-play fashion. I still use that Asrock x79 system as a file server. It runs Windows 11, unfortunately. Secure Boot works fine. However, the transition from 2011 certificates to 2023 certificates and lack of support means that I will need to manually insert the 2023 certificates into the DB and KEK. Asrock won't have an update for me, and I don't think the system supports UEFI capsule updates that would automagically let Microsoft make the change for me. News that BF6 and its anti-cheat run on such old hardware is not really a surprise. TPM and Secure Boot were designed for system integrity and to protect credentials. They're not good at the role of DRM intended to protect a microtransaction store and progression slog. Reply
Joomsy Meanwhile, the game still has cheaters, which really diminishes the claim that either of these technologies are necessary for stopping them. I'm actually quite fed up with these big name studios stroking themselves over their anti-cheats because of this, as it allows them to now get away with having the lowest level of access by selling a lie to consumers. Like, what happens when a 0day in Javelin is found, and gets used to install a bootkit? Forget rootkits, because once you get infected with a bootkit, you might as well trash your machine. And to anyone who doesn't know what these are, read up on HybridPetya. It's a pretty good example of one of the nastiest ones out there, as it's able to bypass Secure Boot. Reply
Paul Alcorn wakuwaku said: Look, I know part of the contract here at Future is to not read user comments and criticism so I know you wont read this and improve yourself, but I hope others will and will not become like Future writers. Bulldozer did not have an integrated TPM is not the same as does not support TPM. Bulldozer does support usage of TPM on motherboards that have external TPM pin connectors on the board. And no you do not need an a business, enterprise or server motherboard, there are consumer boards that have them. And no I am not hallucinating like your AI here Mr. Tom. I legitimately have an old bulldozer system that at one point experimented with buying a TPM module to try installing Windows 11 directly without modifying the iso to bypass any requirements. And yes it worked just fine. I am no more running that system but I assure you i still have it ready to rock provided it hasn't died by itself in the cupboard. edit: In fact, checking the user manual for the M5A99FX PRO R2.0 mentioned in the article, that motherboard too supported external TPM. So please learn to do proper research dear Tom's writer. I have corrected the article to reflect that TPM wasn't enabled, rather than that it wasn't supported. I think the distinction between fTPM and discrete TPM was the disconnect here. In either case, the error does not impact the true thrust of the story. This is a small technical error that does not invalidate the story. I would like to ask you to re-read your comment, then ask yourself whether you would bother replying to a comment that is clearly and openly insulting you. Because that is exactly what your comment does – it hurls insults at the writer in the very first sentence. If you truly would like folks to listen to you or learn from you, it is always generally a good idea to treat them with at least a tiny modicum of decency. Reply
ezst036 I love the spirit of this person who made this video. This spirit is that which won't be contained by the artificial constraints that the corporations are trying to place on us. A boot on our necks. No thank you. We will be free. Reply
blppt Ugh. I had a 9590. One of the worst cpus ever made. Its astonishing when you consider how much of a massive failure Bulldozer and Piledriver were and yet, AMD was able to rise from the ashes with their aptly named current line of CPUs. Reply
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