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logainofhades With the bad rep 13th and 14th gen have, and AMD reportedly bringing back AM4 production, due to ram shortages, these seems like a bad idea. They should have axed 13th and 14th gen, and kept 12th gen for DDR4 compatible systems. Reply
abufrejoval Alder Lake provided a lot of inspiration. Given my then day job as a technical architect, Alder Lake provided ample, if not downright gorgeous, food for thought! Much of it was how Intel tried to turn a liability into an asset: P-cores just needed more power, E-cores tried to save the day. It turned 8-core Tiger Lakes and Zens into boredom, right after finally finally leaping over the quad-core threshold, using this crazy 4xE vs 1xP setup! Naturally, I came down on the side of 8 'proper' cores vs. any P/E permutation! Yet, I wound up owning two Alder Lakes, one laptop, one "desktop on mobile", which haven't really disappointed, mostly because they were not all bad in value and compatibility. Free E-cores while you were only paying for P-cores, was an ok value proposition: A much improved iGPU basically at zero extra cost sweetened the deal! But today Alder Lake seems to be more about not breaking or burning up like G13 and G14, so it stands out mostly by virtue of no "bigger mess", which is a bit sad. ¡Adios Alder Lake, you managed to come out quite ok in my book towards the end! Reply
rluker5 logainofhades said: With the bad rep 13th and 14th gen have, and AMD reportedly bringing back AM4 production, due to ram shortages, these seems like a bad idea. They should have axed 13th and 14th gen, and kept 12th gen for DDR4 compatible systems. The locked CPUs from the 13th and 14th gen are mostly Alder Lake based. This has been known for like 4 years. Those Alder Lakes are still made. Reply
logainofhades rluker5 said: The locked CPUs from the 13th and 14th gen are mostly Alder Lake based. This has been known for like 4 years. Those Alder Lakes are still made. I remember seeing somewhere that some 13th gen were rebadged 12th gen, but Intel's CPU finder doesn't give such information. https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/codename/147470/products-formerly-alder-lake.html#@Desktop https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/codename/215599/products-formerly-raptor-lake.html#@Desktop Reply
ezst036 logainofhades said: With the bad rep 13th and 14th gen have, and AMD reportedly bringing back AM4 production, due to ram shortages, these seems like a bad idea. They should have axed 13th and 14th gen, and kept 12th gen for DDR4 compatible systems. Intel's not into longevity though. You get a tick and then tock, and then those sockets are dead. Reply
logainofhades ezst036 said: Intel's not into longevity though. You get a tick and then tock, and then those sockets are dead. Intel needs all the sales it can get right now, with AMD constantly gaining market share, and how poorly Arrow Lake has been received. More sales, means more money for R&D and better chips down the road. The ram shortages have changed things up, otherwise AMD wouldn't even be talking about more AM4 production. Reply
bit_user i5-12600 getting axed, but the P-core only die is also used through some 14th gen SKUs and even some launched in Q1 of 2025! https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/242804/intel-core-3-processor-201e-12m-cache-up-to-4-80-ghz/ordering.html Reply
bit_user rluker5 said: The locked CPUs from the 13th and 14th gen are mostly Alder Lake based. This has been known for like 4 years. Those Alder Lakes are still made. Yeah, the way you can tell is by looking at the stepping, which you can find in the Ordering and Compliance tab, in the ark.intel.com listings. C0 is Alder Lake 8P + 8E die H0 is Alder Lake 6P + 0E die B0 is Raptor Lake 8P + 16E die Those are the only 3 silicon variations from which all of the LGA1700 SKUs are derived. Reply
bit_user logainofhades said: I remember seeing somewhere that some 13th gen were rebadged 12th gen, but Intel's CPU finder doesn't give such information. No, it doesn't work because they decided to start renaming some parts based on the launch date, not what silicon they actually used. If you want a 100% reliable way to know, look at the stepping trick I mentioned in my previous post. logainofhades said: Intel needs all the sales it can get right now, I wish that would motivate them to do a retail launch of Bartlett Lake, especially since it's LGA1700 and should therefore even support DDR4. Reply
JRStern Exsqueeze my ignorance but exactly what replaces Sapphire Rapids? Reply
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