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kyzarvs Great! But you'd think the worlds most popular desktop O/S would have had these basic tools automated in this way 20 years ago or more surely? Reply
bit_user kyzarvs said: you'd think the worlds most popular desktop O/S would have had these basic tools automated in this way 20 years ago or more surely? Yeah, the timing of this couldn't be worse, coming just as we're seeing unprecedented spikes in both DDR4 and DDR5 memory prices. I do remember hearing something about how Microsoft wanted to require ECC RAM for machines running Windows Vista. I guess they backed down after facing backlash from big PC OEMs. I think they really should implement this as a background service that memtests a few pages at a time. If it finds isolated problems, it could warn you but automatically exclude those pages from use. FWIW, I use ECC RAM whenever it's an option. We need wider support for in-band ECC, when it's not! Reply
Li Ken-un bit_user said: Microsoft wanted to require ECC RAM for machines running Windows Vista. I’ve since made it my own rule that if it doesn’t have ECC RAM, I’m not buying. That includes laptops, which are notoriously hard to get with ECC RAM. bit_user said: We need wider support for in-band ECC, when it's not! I learned recently with the purchase of an AMD Ryzen Pro mini desktop that came with LPDDR5X, there’s a third form of ECC: link ECC. It didn’t have the extra RAM packages from what I could tell from a teardown, so this is a cheaper form of ECC that protects the bits in transit. (It doesn’t make a great difference to since the DDR5’s OD-ECC already provides protection at rest.) Reply
gamerk316 I note Windows Memory Diagnostic has been built into Windows for a while now; this sounds more like just automating the process of running what's already there, unless I'm misunderstanding. Reply
das_stig How about Microsoft put there own coding house in order spewing out broken updates and features each month before fixing other peoples errors. Reply
GreatIsbjorn gamerk316 said: I note Windows Memory Diagnostic has been built into Windows for a while now; this sounds more like just automating the process of running what's already there, unless I'm misunderstanding. pretty sure that's exactly what it is, at least part of it. Saves me a step of pasting dump file to chatgpt and see what the problem might be I guess… Reply
russell_john I can't even remember the last time I had a hard crash on Windows 10 only buggy games that CTDed but never took down the system with it. I do know it was before the final 22H2 update. Once they stopped screwing around with Feature Updates it became one of the most stable versions of Windows ever made in my experience. That's why I'm sticking with it for another year and laughing at all the people having problems with Windows 11. I'll probably go to Linux next October since nearly all my games run on it now Reply
bit_user Li Ken-un said: I learned recently with the purchase of an AMD Ryzen Pro mini desktop that came with LPDDR5X, there’s a third form of ECC: link ECC. Interesting. Li Ken-un said: (It doesn’t make a great difference to since the DDR5’s OD-ECC already provides protection at rest.) That protection is rather weak, however. It was added only to achieve equivalent bit-error rates with DDR4, and necessitated by DDR5's shrinking cell sizes and longer refresh intervals. You can still find people with DDR5 who experience memory errors. The way you can tell they're not happening in transit is if it's consistently the same addresses that fail. Reply
JRStern Make parity bits great again. Reply
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