OpenAI’s colossal AI data center targets would consume as much electricity as entire nation of India — 250GW target would require 30 million GPUs annually to en

OpenAI’s colossal AI data center targets would consume as much electricity as entire nation of India — 250GW target would require 30 million GPUs annually to en

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Greg7579 I thought the huge data centers were going to have micro nuclear plants about the size of a large house sitting next to them and would be off the normal grid…. Reply

shady28 Funny. All this really tells me is that "global warming" which was reworded to "climate change" has never been about anything other than money. The moment they have a more lucrative investment opportunity, climate change is gone and big CO2 emitting data centers are in. Meanwhile Altman expect big oil, which is to say the fuel consuming consumer, to pay for CO2 emissions. He even participates in the 'legislative process'. https://www.advicescout.com/sam-altman-environmental-advocacy/ An unbiased source to be sure, nevermind his CO2 into the ground startups: https://interestingengineering.com/energy/startup-to-inject-100-tons-of-co2-into-earth Here's a thought. In the 1800s when corporations were first allowed, in exchange for their special 'Limited liability' protections (where owners can't be sued for crimes/liability created by the corporations actions), states required a few things of the corporations. -Cannot lobby or even advocate (publicly or privately) for any kind of legislation -Cannot endorse or contribute to any political campaign -Must be involved in activities that broadly benefit the public (at the time things like building a telegraph, road, railroad, some mining operations, etc). How about we go back to that? Reply

j1mm4 Greg7579 said: I thought the huge data centers were going to have micro nuclear plants about the size of a large house sitting next to them and would be off the normal grid…. Once upon a time OpenAI actually pretended they were gonna be open source and nonprofit too. Watching this garbage company progress through every stage of "well… We won't do this!" only to turn around months later and do that exact thing is infuriating. Reply

aberkae shady28 said: Funny. All this really tells me is that "global warming" which was reworded to "climate change" has never been about anything other than money. The moment they have a more lucrative investment opportunity, climate change is gone and big CO2 emitting data centers are in. Meanwhile Altman expect big oil, which is to say the fuel consuming consumer, to pay for CO2 emissions. He even participates in the 'legislative process'. https://www.advicescout.com/sam-altman-environmental-advocacy/ An unbiased source to be sure, nevermind his CO2 into the ground startups: https://interestingengineering.com/energy/startup-to-inject-100-tons-of-co2-into-earth Here's a thought. In the 1800s when corporations were first allowed, in exchange for their special 'Limited liability' protections (where owners can't be sued for crimes/liability created by the corporations actions), states required a few things of the corporations. -Cannot lobby or even advocate (publicly or privately) for any kind of legislation -Cannot endorse or contribute to any political campaign -Must be involved in activities that broadly benefit the public (at the time things like building a telegraph, road, railroad, some mining operations, etc). How about we go back to that? According to Nvidia it's okay to use up significant resources to help us getting closer to Fusion. Nvidia puts the green in being earth friendly . Nvidia super green not enough greed! 🤪 Reply

hollywoodrose shady28 said: Funny. All this really tells me is that "global warming" which was reworded to "climate change" has never been about anything other than money. The moment they have a more lucrative investment opportunity, climate change is gone and big CO2 emitting data centers are in. Meanwhile Altman expect big oil, which is to say the fuel consuming consumer, to pay for CO2 emissions. He even participates in the 'legislative process'. https://www.advicescout.com/sam-altman-environmental-advocacy/ An unbiased source to be sure, nevermind his CO2 into the ground startups: https://interestingengineering.com/energy/startup-to-inject-100-tons-of-co2-into-earth Here's a thought. In the 1800s when corporations were first allowed, in exchange for their special 'Limited liability' protections (where owners can't be sued for crimes/liability created by the corporations actions), states required a few things of the corporations. -Cannot lobby or even advocate (publicly or privately) for any kind of legislation -Cannot endorse or contribute to any political campaign -Must be involved in activities that broadly benefit the public (at the time things like building a telegraph, road, railroad, some mining operations, etc). How about we go back to that? That would be great, but the people in power will never let it happen. Deregulation and the destruction of our checks and balances (along with the removal of civics and government education in our schools) have made possible the destruction of freedom, liberty and democracy. The political elite has merged with the corporations to each do what the other can’t. The abolishment of the Fairness Act by Reagan (reportedly at the personal request of Rupert Murdoch, which prior to that made channels like Fox News illegal) did a lot of damage. But I still believe the single most destructive piece of legislation was the Telecommunications Act of 1996. It removed all limits on media ownership and within a year or two over 90% of the media was controlled by six conglomerates. That was the end of our media. It’s hard to fight back though when much of the population has no idea how their government works. Reply

bit_user Greg7579 said: I thought the huge data centers were going to have micro nuclear plants about the size of a large house sitting next to them and would be off the normal grid…. Nuclear plants take a long time to build. I expect they will still happen. Presently, everyone is scrambling to find power wherever they can. Fossil fuel-based power sources are faster to bring online, up to a point. I do have to wonder how much some of these companies are bluffing and basically just trying to get their competitors to over-extend themselves, or just stuff they're telling investors, to make it seem like they're on track to keep pace with what their competitors are saying. Reply

shady28 hollywoodrose said: That would be great, but the people in power will never let it happen. Deregulation and the destruction of our checks and balances (along with the removal of civics and government education in our schools) have made possible the destruction of freedom, liberty and democracy. The political elite has merged with the corporations to each do what the other can’t. The abolishment of the Fairness Act by Reagan (reportedly at the personal request of Rupert Murdoch, which prior to that made channels like Fox News illegal) did a lot of damage. But I still believe the single most destructive piece of legislation was the Telecommunications Act of 1996. It removed all limits on media ownership and within a year or two over 90% of the media was controlled by six conglomerates. That was the end of our media. It’s hard to fight back though when much of the population has no idea how their government works. In point of fact, corporations were allowed to form via regulation (passage of laws). Before that, you could start a business, but the owners were personally liable for the business' actions. These same laws specifically muzzled them from involvement in politics and policy, as the framers at the time feared large corporations would get too much power and grow to control politics and policy… That was not new to them, remember the East India Trade Company. Edit: What's that saying? Those who fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it. It was activist judges in the later 1800s that unmuzzled and empowered corporations, disempowering states and citizens over corporations by treating corporations as 'people' – a process that reached its natural conclusion with 'Citizens United'. This means they have constitutional rights just like a person, can't be silenced, have a right to association, to advance their political agendas, etc. etc. etc. " Initially , the privilege of incorporation was granted selectively to enable activities that benefited the public , such as construction of roads or canals. Enabling shareholders to profit was seen as a means to that end . The states also imposed conditions… Attempts were made to keep strong charter laws in place , but with the courts applying legal doctrines that made protection of corporations and corporate property the center of constitutional law , citizen sovereignty was undermined. As corporations grew stronger, government and the courts became easier prey. They freely reinterpreted the U.S. Constitution and transformed common law doctrines… One of the most severe blows to citizen authority arose out of the 1886 Supreme Court case of Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad . … From that point on, the 14th Amendment, enacted to protect rights of freed slaves, was used routinely to grant corporations constitutional “personhood.” Justices have since struck down hundreds of local, state and federal laws enacted to protect people from corporate harm based on this illegitimate premise. Armed with these “rights,” corporations increased control over resources, jobs, commerce, politicians, judges, and the law." https://reclaimdemocracy.org/corporate-accountability-history-corporations-us/ Reply

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