ezst036 Admin said: but you’ll have to live with 8GB of RAM, just like, well, probably all entry-level laptops at this point – at least until someone tries to get away with 4GB again. Recently Microsoft announced that W11 has a 16gb minimum system requirement now. That timing was really terrible. Really, they even pointed to 32gb as preferred. Yikes. https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windows/microsoft-now-recommends-32gb-of-ram-as-the-future-proof-no-worries-config-for-gaming-16gb-becomes-the-new-practical-starting-point-during-the-ramageddon Reply
Notton "The 16:10 IPS display delivers 1920 x 1200 resolution at a rating of 300 nits…" I'm not saying they're DOA, but how about offering a better screen? Because at that price point, Android tablets offer significantly higher quality screens, and an OS that doesn't choke on 8GB of RAM doing email or browsing. Like here, for comparison purposes… Alldocube iPlay 70 Max Pro 13: 13" 2560×1600/400nits/60Hz, Unisoc T7300, 8GB/128GB, 10,000mAh (38.5Whr) battery, wifi+4G LTE… €200 tablet only, €280 tablet+keyboard folio (around US$240/330) Alldocube Ultra Pad 13: 13", 2880×1840/700nits/144Hz, Snapdragon 7+ Gen 3, 12GB/256GB, 15,000mAh (57.75Whr) battery, €310 (US$365ish) Lenovo Idea Tab Pro: 12.7", 2944×1840/400nits/144Hz, Dimensity 8300, 8GB/128GB, 10200mAh battery, US$240 And then there's the whole sub 9" market Alldocube iPlay 80 mini Ultra: 8.8" 2560×1600/500nits/144Hz, Dimensity 8300, 12GB/256GB, 7200mAh (27.4Whr), 4G LTE, ￥56,000 yen, not yuan, (around US$350) And if you don't like Mediatek, there's the iPlay 70 mini Ultra with SD7+ Gen 3 for around US$270, which doesn't have LTE, but otherwise similar specs. Reply
usertests ezst036 said: Recently Microsoft announced that W11 has a 16gb minimum system requirement now. That timing was really terrible. Not a minimum, just a recommendation for gaming that most users on these forums would agree with: https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windows/microsoft-now-recommends-32gb-of-ram-as-the-future-proof-no-worries-config-for-gaming-16gb-becomes-the-new-practical-starting-point-during-the-ramageddon Almost nobody is going to be cobbling together a gaming system with only 8 GB anymore, even though it might be enough for old titles. The real minimum is still 4 GB: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-system-requirements-86c11283-ea52-4782-9efd-7674389a7ba3 Windows 11 IoT Enterprise also has a "preferred" minimum of 4 GB: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/iot/iot-enterprise/hardware/system_requirements?tabs=Windows11LTSC Reply
cyrusfox This is where ARM should have started, the whole $1000+ AI and all day marketing blitze to have people switch to ARM on windows was a bad strategy. Snapdragon X was too premium a price and lunar lake largely stole its efficiency proposition. Too bad the way things are with Memory, on windows 8gb will feel stifling. Reply
LordVile So that’s 8GB on W11 which is vastly difference to 8GB on macOS and a chip that’s likely much slower than the A18 Pro Reply
JamesJones44 LordVile said: So that’s 8GB on W11 which is vastly difference to 8GB on macOS As a Windows hater I say this, no, no it isn't and has been proven many times now. Apple makes that claim for largely for Safari which they have full control over on their system. However, people have profiled applications that run on multiple platforms and found that RAM utilization was virtually identical for all platforms. MacOS itself takes about 2-4 GB of RAM these days on a fresh install sitting idle, this if pretty equal to Windows 11. Where Apple wins is on swap, because Apple typically invest in high throughput SSDs where in the PC world the storage device is a wildcard, but that has nothing to do with the operating system. Reply
LordVile JamesJones44 said: As a Windows hater I say this, no, no it isn't and has been proven many times now. Apple makes that claim for largely for Safari which they have full control over on their system. However, people have profiled applications that run on multiple platforms and found that RAM utilization was virtually identical for all platforms. MacOS itself takes about 2-4 GB of RAM these days on a fresh install sitting idle, this if pretty equal to Windows 11. Where Apple wins is on swap, because Apple typically invest in high throughput SSDs where in the PC world the storage device is a wildcard, but that has nothing to do with the operating system. And being swap is part of memory management it is better and can run with less ram. Reply
usertests If you're in swap, you lost. Should have afforded 32-64 GB. Reply
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