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alrighty_then The real problem from the US perspective if you could tear the chip apart and prove it's fine today, but next month's batch may not be, and you're not going to inspect chips in every batch… So not worth the risk, just like China not wanting to use Windows or Nvidia. Reply
cvzalez alrighty_then said: The real problem from the US perspective if you could tear the chip apart and prove it's fine today, but next month's batch may not be, and you're not going to inspect chips in every batch… So not worth the risk, just like China not wanting to use Windows or Nvidia. The only problem with the USA is China is way competitive than any country and they don't sell their country! Reply
Zyl alrighty_then said: The real problem from the US perspective if you could tear the chip apart and prove it's fine today, but next month's batch may not be, and you're not going to inspect chips in every batch… So not worth the risk, just like China not wanting to use Windows or Nvidia. Not at all. It is purely and entirely economic. CXMT are entirely economically driven. More than that all other RAM brands are foreign sourced, some even sourced from china (not PRC but still china). They are trying to block mainland China RAM from becoming mainstream, that is it. Purely economic strategy and you have to be impinged in your brain function to think otherwise. The other sources of RAM could already change the chips in any batch. Simple as that. Also that risk is entirely military and will not affect consumers, Therefore should not be blocked for most people. Also also also, It is basically a zero risk product anyway because there is effectively no way for it to exfiltrate data to begin with. Reply
COLGeek Almost rhetorical questions, but here goes. What do you think happens at the first whiff of "malicious memory" from a market/consumer perspective? What would be gained (and lost), especially for a new manufacturer trying to break into a global market? I get some of the skepticism, but if you look inside all your tech, you'll find any number of components that (many) originated from China. Just adding for a bit of perspective and objectivity. Reply
daworstplaya Isn't this the same company that allegedly stole all it's RAM manufacturing tech from Samsung? Reply
hotaru251 daworstplaya said: Isn't this the same company that allegedly stole all it's RAM manufacturing tech from Samsung? this is the actual reason I figure US will fall back to for banning em. It is clear cut and is more likely to be fair in a courts eyes. DRAM is volatile, anything put into it wouldnt survive after being shipped overseas. "if" you would attach an extra non-volatile part….it would liekly be caught via QC from the ones who will use it (i.e. your dell, lenovo, hp, etc)…and not like china actually cares about the rando americans data to risk getting caught doing it. (or require companies using it list it on stuff using it or be fined) Just ban US agencies from using devices with it in if you are worried about national security. Reply
Bigshrimp I knew this would happen regarding being banned. There goes any hope of cheaper memory in the PC market. 🙁 Reply
call101010 daworstplaya said: Isn't this the same company that allegedly stole all it's RAM manufacturing tech from Samsung? UNrcUf9JaMc Reply
palladin9479 hotaru251 said: Just ban US agencies from using devices with it in if you are worried about national security. That is precisely what they are doing. USG maintains a list of excluded manufacturers that it will neither buy products from or buy products containing that excluded product. This doesn't prohibit the product from being sold on the private market. Many large companies want to sell to the USG and therefore distance themselves from anything on the restricted list. Rather than maintaining separate production lines, they just don't purchase any of those components in the first place. Reply
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