He acknowledges that this will create friction, putting Gen Z employees among decades-old employees. "Tension is good…. I actually try to create tension in the teams because you want to have enough friction on the ideas. You don't want to have friction with the people and personalities."
Patel believes that a combination of experienced, scale operators at Cisco, alongside external hires and "entrepreneurial founders, CEOs and engineers who are AI-native" will bring results. "Either of these groups by themselves aren't nearly as potent as when all three work together. It's what creates magic."
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madmalc Interesting question from this will be where do the the intellectual property rights lie with AI generated code. Cisco has claimed intellectual property rights in the past. If an AI program generates similar code in the future who do they sue? Reply
jp7189 Does this mean im going to lose my chance to bore young engineers? Youngster: "why does Cisco do it like this.. in what world does this logic make and sense?" Me: "gather 'round youngin' and I'll tell you a tale. The year was 1998 and OC-12 was all the rage…" Reply
DS426 Sure, it's probably feasible to literally refactor 98% of the company's code in 24 months if there's no token limit. However, actually testing all that code or rather the final applications and operating systems (IOS in networking devices, etc.) — and Cisco has thousands of them — and fixing regressions and newly-introduced bugs would take this project well past two years. The internet is powered by some of these devices. Some dude that had a great AI-based translation company seems like hardly the right guy to ensure that the world's routers, switches, firewalls, etc. are rock-solid in reliability. I can appreciate the status quo being challenged, but I'm seeing the risk being far greater than the reward here. How about trying this first in a much more limited scope first, such as in a department or product segment that is lower stakes? Reply
kanewolf So much for 6509s outlasting the cockroaches when the zombie apocalypse happens … Reply
King_V DS426 said: Sure, it's probably feasible to literally refactor 98% of the company's code in 24 months if there's no token limit. However, actually testing all that code or rather the final applications and operating systems (IOS in networking devices, etc.) — and Cisco has thousands of them — and fixing regressions and newly-introduced bugs would take this project well past two years. The internet is powered by some of these devices. Some dude that had a great AI-based translation company seems like hardly the right guy to ensure that the world's routers, switches, firewalls, etc. are rock-solid in reliability. I can appreciate the status quo being challenged, but I'm seeing the risk being far greater than the reward here. How about trying this first in a much more limited scope first, such as in a department or product segment that is lower stakes? Testing?? That's what customers are for! Reply
salgado18 I think it's possible, and being careful enough the testing should also be covered. Bu tunless this guy started programming at 13 years old and is a genius, I wouldn't trust such a task to anyone without top-level senior status. The most important trait to such a big refactor is not knowledge or talent, it's experience. But well, I guess token-crazy CEOs don't get it. Reply
CParsons Meh.. it's a 'proof of concept'.. someone has to try. Reply
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