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hotaru251 …..tell that to apple who made x86 run on arm sometiems betetr than native… Google just being lazy and not wanting to develop a better transition layer. Reply
Pierce2623 I really doubt translating ARM apps to x86 chips works as the opposite. People have never really worked on it because nobody cares about running ARM apps on x86. I don’t think the infinitely more mature x86 to ARM translation layers can just be flipped around to go the opposite direction without significant work. Intel probably should have steered clear of this. ARM chips will destroy it in any benchmarking of Android apps on these “not Chromebooks”. Reply
Pierce2623 hotaru251 said: …..tell that to apple who made x86 run on arm sometiems betetr than native… Google just being lazy and not wanting to develop a better transition layer. Name one x86 app that runs better on Apple silicon through translation than it does on equally modern and expensive x86 chips. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Now don’t bring me something running an ARM native version because thats not what you claimed. Reply
kealii123 I thought RISC and therefore ARM were essentially a subset of x86, and even modern x86 processors have to translate applications using archaic x86 instructions "under the hood" to more modern implementations. Meaning, it should be easier to write ARM=>x86 translations than the other way around , unless I'm missing something Reply
VizzieTheViz I don’t use my mbp (first generation retina) anymore but I used it for a couple of years and I’ve never ever then (or now using a Lenovo laptop) felt that there was an app on my iphone that I really wanted to run on my laptop. What apps are there that people have on their phones that they desperately want to use in their laptops and can’t accept a small performance hit for if it’s an x86 laptop running an ARM app? I can’t really imagine this being an issue but maybe there’s a whole world of apps out there on phones that I’ve totally missed. Please enlighten me. Reply
usertests VizzieTheViz said: What apps are there that people have on their phones that they desperately want to use in their laptops and can’t accept a small performance hit for if it’s an x86 laptop running an ARM app? There's always some obscure/legacy app(lication) that somebody wants to use. But like you said, you can probably accept a performance hit. A laptop should also be able to brute force frequency compared to a phone (at least if it's plugged in). Reply
TerryLaze Pierce2623 said: People have never really worked on it First release in 2011 that 15 years ago… https://www.bluestacks.com/previous-versions.html Windows Subsystem for Android (WSA) , it shipped with ARM64 support when previewed in October 2021 Pierce2623 said: Intel probably should have steered clear of this. ARM chips will destroy it in any benchmarking of Android apps on these “not Chromebooks”. But on the other hand intel will destroy anything that isn't an ARM app. Or be able to run them at all, because lets face it, if you don't have a super high end ARM cpu you aren't running any x86. Pierce2623 said: Name one x86 app that runs better on Apple silicon through translation than it does on equally modern and expensive x86 chips. That's not what he claimed though. kealii123 said: I thought RISC and therefore ARM were essentially a subset of x86, No it's not an subset, x86 does use some of the same tactics as risc in that it has a bunch of extra instructions that try to work in a single cycle just as risc does, but that's as far as that goes. kealii123 said: and even modern x86 processors have to translate applications using archaic x86 instructions "under the hood" to more modern implementations. No, modern CPUs include the ancient instructions, they might have some extra instructions that swap out the older ones for modern ones though. Reply
hwertz TerryLaze said: No, modern CPUs include the ancient instructions, they might have some extra instructions that swap out the older ones for modern ones though. Modern Intel and AMD CPUs (not even that modern, going back to the AMD K5, socket 7 era) internally decode complex instructions and effectively run a RISC core. But yeah. effectively it's true, Intel has not retired any old instructions, addressing modes, and so on. ARM has to some extent, there's some old stuff from ARMv6 and older that ARMv7 (the 32-bit ARMS that have been around for probably 20 years) and v8 (64-bit ARM) do not support. So, what the heck does a notebook that's going to be running Android apps need 16-32GB RAM for anyway? These Googlebooks sound entirely too pricey to me. Reply
usertests hwertz said: So, what the heck does a notebook that's going to be running Android apps need 16-32GB RAM for anyway? These Googlebooks sound entirely too pricey to me. I think they're designed for on-device AI whatever. So they would definitely want 16 GB minimum (for example, I believe Apple Intelligence has a 12 GB minimum). The Googlebook OS is a successor to ChromeOS that is described as a "fusion between Android and ChromeOS". So it would obviously be able to run Android apps. Reply
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