thestryker bit_user said: Probably because it supports faster DDR5 and they increase other non-core clock speeds? They have to account for the power consumed by everything in the package, when they're computing base clocks. Nope, it's as simple as them adding cores. The 285K has the lowest base clocks of the three intial ARL SKUs as well. Reply
thestryker This pretty much confirms initial suspicions that this was going to be another 13th to 14th Gen binning type situation. I'd hoped that this wouldn't be the case given how little headroom N3B seems to have, but it's the smartest available business decision I'd imagine. That may also explain the launch delay as I doubt Intel was interested in pushing a bigger buy through just for binning purposes. From a technical standpoint I'd love to have seen what ARL looked like on an Intel manufacturing process. We still haven't seen any unlocked SKUs on an Intel EUV node and while I do not expect it to be crazy high like Intel 7 I do wonder how it does compared to TSMC. GNR in workstation form should be the first opportunity and then in theory NVL for client. There have been rumors about multisourced nodes for NVL so perhaps not even then. In the case of GNR workstation it's hard to say when exactly that will appear now given that Intel has canceled 8CH DMR which might be why it hasn't been released yet. Reply
cyrusfox The 290k is very uninspiring, They eliminated the difference between the 7 and 9 class here. You are essentially getting 200-400 MHz higher P core boost (100 MHz bump on e-core). 270k is definitely the chip to get for price performance. Who would pay the premium for the 290k for a meager boost when the main problem with ARL is still chip to chip latency which makes it lose any many scenarios to prior 13/14th gen and a real loser to x3D. 7% boost clockspeed improvement does not change this. I've seen the 265K go for extremely cheap, have been tempted, but my 13900 is still going strong. ARL and ARL-R is a dud, at least the refresh will have all outlets retest the processors which should perform leaps and bounds better than they did at launch now that they have most the bugs accounted for. Intel is now the budget option… Will Intel ever be competitive again on the high-end desktop space? x3D is over 3 years old and Intel has never responded to it with a equivalent competitor, Giving up the market. Reply
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