Meanwhile, the market is already drifting toward open-weight alternatives, most of them Chinese. A March report from the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission found that 80% of U.S. start-ups were using Chinese open-source models, and Chinese labs’ share of global model downloads on Hugging Face climbed from roughly 1.2% at the end of 2024 to about 30% a year later.
Open-weight families from Alibaba's Qwen, Moonshot's Kimi, Zhipu's GLM, and DeepSeek now hold four of the top five spots on open-weight leaderboards, trailing the best U.S. proprietary models by a margin that has narrowed faster than most forecasts expected: none of them carries a restriction on who can download or fine-tune the weights.
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mwhannan74 What amazes me the most is the idea that these models are some kind of super AI that is revolutionizing cyber security and needs to be banned as if it is a weapon and national security issue. It is just so laughable. I have to give it to Anthropic though, they have seized on maybe one of the best marketing campaigns ever. Their whole push that they thought their AI was sentient and all the engineers were worried did not work out. Now they have pivoted to the "uber cyber weapon" pitch. Marketing at its best <slow hand clap>. The severity of Mythos-class capabilities has been contested since the spring. Independent researchers found that cheaper open-source models could replicate much of Mythos's vulnerability-finding capabilities, and a closer look at Anthropic's headline figures revealed far fewer serious exploits than the marketing implied. I don't konw which bothers me more, Anthopic marketing BS or the current morons in the US government. Reply
wussupi83 mwhannan74 said: What amazes me the most is the idea that these models are some kind of super AI that is revolutionizing cyber security and needs to be banned as if it is a weapon and national security issue. It is just so laughable. I have to give it to Anthropic though, they have seized on maybe one of the best marketing campaigns ever. Their whole push that they thought their AI was sentient and all the engineers were worried did not work out. Now they have pivoted to the "uber cyber weapon" pitch. Marketing at its best <slow hand clap>. I don't konw which bothers me more, Anthopic marketing BS or the current morons in the US government. Its all a big game. This group is in office to allow this all to be pushed through with low regulation barriers. The next group will be brought in to grandfather everything that's being done now and create new regulation barrier of entries to new competitors citing progress while actually benefiting the groups pushing it all in the first place. Reply
JeffreyP55 mwhannan74 said: What amazes me the most is the idea that these models are some kind of super AI that is revolutionizing cyber security and needs to be banned as if it is a weapon and national security issue. It is just so laughable. I have to give it to Anthropic though, they have seized on maybe one of the best marketing campaigns ever. Their whole push that they thought their AI was sentient and all the engineers were worried did not work out. Now they have pivoted to the "uber cyber weapon" pitch. Marketing at its best <slow hand clap>. I don't konw which bothers me more, Anthopic marketing BS or the current morons in the US government. The color orange makes me sick. Reply
usertests mwhannan74 said: What amazes me the most is the idea that these models are some kind of super AI that is revolutionizing cyber security and needs to be banned as if it is a weapon and national security issue. It is just so laughable. I have to give it to Anthropic though, they have seized on maybe one of the best marketing campaigns ever. Their whole push that they thought their AI was sentient and all the engineers were worried did not work out. Now they have pivoted to the "uber cyber weapon" pitch. Marketing at its best <slow hand clap>. "This is so dangerous!" is definitely a marketing strategy. It's questionable that they wanted this to happen and that the current administration is *helping* Anthropic after their designation as a "supply chain risk". This could simply be a way to punish Anthropic while making it look like there are concerns about AI safety. Reply
JarredWaltonGPU Rather conveniently, the order landed at 5:21 pm ET, three days after the models launched… I'm not sure what's convenient about that timing. Is it that it's after hours for an East-coast company? Because Anthropic is based out of CA, so that would be 2:21 pm PT and that doesn't seem to be of particular importance. Reply
datguywhowanders JarredWaltonGPU said: I'm not sure what's convenient about that timing. Is it that it's after hours for an East-coast company? Because Anthropic is based out of CA, so that would be 2:21 pm PT and that doesn't seem to be of particular importance. I believe the implication is that it conveniently took place after markets had ceased trading for the week. Reply
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