ottonis Framework are phenomenal guys, probably the most trustworthy laptop company in existence, the offerings of which are far ahead of any other commercial laptop brands in terms of customization, repairability and price-performance ratio. Reply
vinay2070 Too expensive. You can literally pay slightly more and buy 2 laptops for the price which are more compact, light and powerful. The 13 Pro makes the series better, but still not worth the price IMO. If Linux isnt what you are after (most folks are windows users), the Asus X2 Elite extreme laptop is a lot more powerful and better than panther lake at just 1700ish which also comes with 48Gigs of RAM . Or the Macbook Air is also a good option at a much lower price. Also how many upgrades will a person do? Maybe 1 or 2? Lets say you do an upgrade after 3.5 years and use it another 3.5 years, in 7 or 8 years, the chasis will look beaten up, have scrathes etc and you have to buy new chasis covers. Or you might feel bored of looking at the same chasis for years. The only reason this would have made sense is if it was affordable, and not be way more expensive than a macbook pro or highend gaming laptops. Just like how self assembled desktops are less expensive than a ready to buy ones like Alienware. Also the max GPU you can buy is not even a 5070 Ti, just a 5070 with just 8GB of RAM and limited to 100 watts TDP. Reply
heffeque vinay2070 said: Too expensive. You can literally pay slightly more and buy 2 laptops for the price which are more compact, light and powerful. The 13 Pro makes the series better, but still not worth the price IMO. If Linux isnt what you are after (most folks are windows users), the Asus X2 Elite extreme laptop is a lot more powerful and better than panther lake at just 1700ish which also comes with 48Gigs of RAM . Or the Macbook Air is also a good option at a much lower price. Also how many upgrades will a person do? Maybe 1 or 2? Lets say you do an upgrade after 3.5 years and use it another 3.5 years, in 7 or 8 years, the chasis will look beaten up, have scrathes etc and you have to buy new chasis covers. Or you might feel bored of looking at the same chasis for years. The only reason this would have made sense is if it was affordable, and not be way more expensive than a macbook pro or highend gaming laptops. Just like how self assembled desktops are less expensive than a ready to buy ones like Alienware. Also the max GPU you can buy is not even a 5070 Ti, just a 5070 with just 8GB of RAM and limited to 100 watts TDP. I have to agree here. Pricing is too high compared to other brands. But it is what it is. And if one of your goals is to avoid creating electronic waste, then Framework is a better option most times. I got the Framework Desktop even though it was more expensive than other brands, and I couldn't be happier with the result. A few years ago I wouldn't have been able to afford spending that much money, so I'm fully aware that Framework is only for people who have the luxury of having deeper pockets, which sounds kind of counter-intuitive taking into consideration the philosophy of the company. Reply
Notton Eh, you can't please everyone. Seller 1: It's fully modular Window shopper: Yeah, but that price Seller 2: It's quality for a low price Window shopper: Yeah, but it's only got 8GB RAM and you can't upgrade anything on it. 🤷♂️ Reply
thestryker While Framework has always carried a premium it used to be around 10% for most products. The memory apocalypse has done a pretty big number on them so it's much worse than that now unless you already have DRAM/storage. This one does seem to be a well thought out improvement just the same. For me the most disappointing part is that the memory is minimum viable (edit: occurred to me some people might not know it's LPDDR5X-7467) and LPCAMM2 isn't particularly available on the market so it's impossible to get faster (there's Crucial LPCAMM2-7500 available which isn't really an improvement). With the market being what it is it'd be nice to get something while being fleeced. Reply
vinay2070 heffeque said: I have to agree here. Pricing is too high compared to other brands. But it is what it is. And if one of your goals is to avoid creating electronic waste, then Framework is a better option most times. I got the Framework Desktop even though it was more expensive than other brands, and I couldn't be happier with the result. A few years ago I wouldn't have been able to afford spending that much money, so I'm fully aware that Framework is only for people who have the luxury of having deeper pockets, which sounds kind of counter-intuitive taking into consideration the philosophy of the company. The only thing I can see here is avoiding electronics waste as a +. And in that, just the chasis and the display. I just configured a 16" framwork laptop with 370HX, 48Gigs, 2TB, 5070 with all the required accessories and 3 year warranty and it was close to 4300. On the other hand the Apple 16" M5 Maxed out chip with 48Gigs, 2TB and 3 year apple care was 4500 on the Edu store. And if you have an iPhone, the apple care can cover that for just $5 a month more. And it covers accidental warrany AFAIK with a little payment. The macbook is Twice as good in every department, CPU, GPU, Battery, Faster memory, SSD, Display resolution, port speeds and you get a max chip with 48Gigs of unified memory for LLM stuff. One can run Linux or Windows on parallels at almost native speeds with that much memory. So OS isnt an issue as well. 4 years down the line one can sell that macbook for almost half that price and buy one more for 2K more and you will get everything brand new including chasis, battery, better ports and a better display. Upgrading on Framwork the CPU, GPU, battery, USB C etc will cost you slightly less. And then it will be matching the Old macbook's performance 😉 and rest of the stuff will all be old. And who will buy a 4 year old AMD CPU or GPU parts and for how much in the second hand framework market 😀 And I am comparing it to one of the most expensive laptops on the market. This definitely is for folks who are like those SFF guys. Spend more money to get smaller footprint case and lower performance as you have to downvolt stuff anyway. Just like a hobby. Reply
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