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Gururu Well I think the biggest issue is that AMD realized that every website was testing with a 4090/5090. They then proceeded to make a CPU that worked extra good and only extra good with GPUS of that tier. To this day, still no one admits that. Reply
psyconz Gururu said: Well I think the biggest issue is that AMD realized that every website was testing with a 4090/5090. They then proceeded to make a CPU that worked extra good and only extra good with GPUS of that tier. To this day, still no one admits that. Oh, ok. I thought the X3Ds vastly improved 1% lows and frame drops on any GPU. Not just the high-end. Reply
King_V Gururu said: Well I think the biggest issue is that AMD realized that every website was testing with a 4090/5090. They then proceeded to make a CPU that worked extra good and only extra good with GPUS of that tier. To this day, still no one admits that. This doesn't seem in the slightest bit accurate. Care to provide evidence? Because it sounds like you're saying what amounts to "AMD made CPUs that work extra-good ONLY with GPUs that don't hold back the CPU." Reply
Gururu psyconz said: Oh, ok. I thought the X3Ds vastly improved 1% lows and frame drops on any GPU. Not just the high-end. That would be something good to know, if sites actually tested new CPUs with lower end GPUs. Reply
-Fran- Gururu said: Well I think the biggest issue is that AMD realized that every website was testing with a 4090/5090. They then proceeded to make a CPU that worked extra good and only extra good with GPUS of that tier. To this day, still no one admits that. I have hot takes, but damn. This is a very wrong hot take. — In regards to the news: good to know Robert Hallock is setting the record straight on the minds of the Intel people. They need to rebuild instead of just "fake it 'till you make it". I'll keep saying it: AMD lost a lot when they let Mr. Hallock walk away. I'm hopeful Nova Lake will be good both CPU and overall platform. Let's see some good competition, Intel. Regards. Reply
Gururu -Fran- said: I have hot takes, but damn. This is a very wrong hot take. Just admit it. Reply
-Fran- Gururu said: Just admit it. Admit what exactly? You're just telegraphing anyone that knows about CPUs you have no idea what you're talking about here. Regards. Reply
TechieTwo You mean Intel was selling a turd with lipstick on it? Perish the thought. Intel is the best… and they can do no wrong. Just ask them. Their products are so good that they have been convicted on multiple continents for violation of trade law for intimidation, retaliation, coercion and bribes to prevent a level marketplace where AMD could steal their lunch via superior products. Reply
Gururu -Fran- said: Admit what exactly? You're just telegraphing anyone that knows about CPUs you have no idea what you're talking about here. Regards. Admit that an X3D paired with anything less than a 5090 has horrible diminishing returns. Reply
thestryker I know ARL is the proverbial whipping boy, but I think RPL degradation and the piss poor response followed by ARL delivering nothing new for gamers was the real problem here. There's nothing actually wrong with ARL anymore than there is with Zen 5 being a minimal improvement over Zen 4. The top gaming buyers got the Zen 5 X3D parts which are a big deal though and Intel has nothing to compete with those period. The cynic in me says that the ARL refresh pricing is more about moving the silicon coming from TSMC than it is their reputation (this is not to say it doesn't help reputationally). I have zero doubt that NVL will carry a premium price if they can beat AMD across the board. Reply
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