usertests Shiznizzle said: The 5800X3D is a non starter in the UK. The chip is a last gen CPU with a dead end and an extremely high cost of 550 pounds sterling on the cheapest platform there is, Amazon. For that price you might as well just buy the 32GB of DDR 5 and an Am5 motherboard and you would still save money. What were AMD thinking? If you already have the AM4 board and DDR4, it could be the right move. The original 5800X3D has been sold for well above $350 on the used market. Is your £550 price an anomaly or expected? On Newegg US, I see $230ish for 32 GB DDR4 new, vs. $380ish for 32 GB DDR5 new. The 7700X3D will outperform the 5800X3D for less money, but maybe the AM5 boards cost more. I could see someone going for the AM4 dead end to save a few bucks. Reply
palladin9479 Shiznizzle said: The 5800X3D is a non starter in the UK. The chip is a last gen CPU with a dead end and an extremely high cost of 550 pounds sterling on the cheapest platform there is, Amazon. For that price you might as well just buy the 32GB of DDR 5 and an Am5 motherboard and you would still save money. What were AMD thinking? For starters this is heavily impacted by your local market, also the fact that very few are left in circulation. AMD has said they are going to make more of them so expect prices to become more normal. As for the platform, that is a very consumerist way to go about buying things. "Here this thing is new, this thing is awesome, buy this new thing. Oh look next new thing, new thing better, consume next product". And keep repeating that wondering where all your money went. Instead we define a set of requirements, not a set of products you want but a set of real requirements. Then buy / build the thing that meets those requirements. Keep that thing as long as they meet those requirements. If requirements change, then reevaluate and decide accordingly. The infinitely upgrading computer hasn't been an economically optimal option for over a decade now, ever since hardware vendors figured out they could use refresh cycles to maximize revenue extraction from consumer spending habits. AM4 boards and DDR4 memory are cheaper then AM5 + DDR5. AMD 5700 / 5800X CPU's are also super cheap, it's only the 5800X3D that is outrageously priced due to low supply. I know of someone right now who has AM4 MB + 32GB DDR4 + 5600X + 9070XT and is wanting to buy a new 5800X3D when AMD rereleases it. Reply
thestryker Intel is likely going to keep pushing out RPL SKUs under the "Core Processor" branding for the next couple of years. The biggest question though is how much capacity is available since SRF/GNR/CWF IO Die and SPR/EMR are all manufactured on Intel 7. CPUs after RPL were never going to have any form of DDR4 support since when all those decisions were made there was no sign of the mempocalypse coming. Until 2025 everything looked business as usual for a generational DRAM shift: prices got lower and stabilized and the outgoing technology lowered production and got even cheaper. During the current times I bet Intel wishes that Krzanich (or Swan) had spun up a fab for 3D XPoint production. Gelsinger may have been the one to officially kill Optane, but the economics wouldn't have made sense for tooling a fab by the time he was hired. Reply
Li Ken-un That the dead tech even made it to the point of being put into the spanking new E1.S form factor defied all odds. They’re possibly the best SSD-form factor Optanes ever made and had potential to be much more. Reply
Notton usertests said: Is there a problem with old stock sitting in warehouses? They won't be sitting there for very long if production ends. Before the bad times, people advised against Alder Lake-N with the slower DDR4/LPDDR4 because of it being single-channel (maybe it doesn't matter all that much, I'd have to check). The situation has changed now that DDR5/LPDDR5 are luxuries. Other than that, I don't know what nice-to-have features it has that Wildcat Lake doesn't, with the exception of 9x PCIe 3.0 lanes being a better choice than 6x PCIe 4.0 lanes for some products that could use more I/O flexibility, like NAS systems. If Intel is phasing out production of Alder Lake-U to make more server chips on Intel 7, then that's a loss. Cheap Alder Lake-U laptops with empty DDR4 slots were the cheat code. Got a nice 8+32 GB system for around half of these Macbook Neo clone prices. Actually, yes, the 9x PCIe 3.0 lanes was very flexible without needing to go through a separate PCIe switch. There are a bunch of NVMe NAS based off of N100/N150 that don't use a PCIe switch, though they are typically 4 or 6 slots. The 8 and 12 slots use switches and they're pricier than the 6-slot config. Now you're forced to go through one if you want more than 4-slots. As for RAM speed, it didn't matter much because, the CPU and poor heatsink implementation was the main bottleneck on quite a few of these N100/N150 PCs. Reply
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