usertests The 32-EU count here likely comes out to 4 Xe cores (each core has eight matrix and vector ALUs). It should be 2 Xe3 cores. I think they were increased to 16 "EUs" each. Vicecrow said: Yeah it's time to bring the BFG to the table! I don't think Intel could have come up with a better name than "BFC" for their "X3D" competitor. They will get free advertising from memes and explainer articles. Reply
bigdragon 4000-series Intel CPUs? Ivy Bridge returns! I do find this lineup to be mildly confusing given how similar each of the chips are. I'm sure it'll make more sense once speeds and prices are applied. I wish my 270k+ had a bigger cache. I've been thrilled with its performance so far! Reply
thestryker usertests said: I don't think Intel could have come up with a better name than "BFC" for their "X3D" competitor. Ressurecting the Extreme Edition moniker would have been an infinitely better option. They also already have "S" which they could easily pivot to using since I doubt we're going to see binned silicon like that has been again. usertests said: They will get free advertising from memes and explainer articles. They have to come up with an official name as well though. No matter what naming convention was chosen the explainer articles would happen. So that leaves the memes which could easily blow up in their faces if they don't beat Zen 6 X3D in performance. bigdragon said: Ivy Bridge Haswell! While I don't dislike the 4 digit naming scheme I wish they'd just left things alone. Laptops are keeping the 3 digit naming, but the HX will shift to 4 digit making the move even sillier. bigdragon said: I do find this lineup to be mildly confusing given how similar each of the chips are. I know why they're doing it, it's a 65W part, but calling the 6P bLLC part a U9 when there's an 8P bLLC part as U7 sucks. Doubly so when the rest of the 6P parts are under the U5 designation. Reply
SkyBill40 Guess Intel is finally tired of having their faces punched and their lunch stolen by AMD, eh? Reply
usertests SkyBill40 said: Guess Intel is finally tired of having their faces punched and their lunch stolen by AMD, eh? X3D leading the benchmark charts over and over was indeed intolerable for Intel. Unless something goes terribly wrong, they will leapfrog past the 9850X3D, since they'll have (up to) 144 MiB of L3 cache per tile instead of 96 MiB, IPC improvements, the return of AVX-512 (relevant for some emulators like RPCS3), etc. And since they're rumored to be making a large planar die with the cache, completely separate from the non-bLLC offering, it looks to me like they are throwing money at the problem to make it go away. Reply
me-three usertests said: X3D leading the benchmark charts over and over was indeed intolerable for Intel. Not sure why Intel would care about winning gaming benchmarks at this point, when gaming is a distant afterthought for every chip vendor. Even if gaming market size isn't a consideration, I can't imagine too many gamers would be interested in buying/building a PC in 2027 when RAM/SSD/GPU prices are still sky high. Methinks NovaL will be more or less a paper launch. At least the HW outlets will be happy to have an actual PC HW release to talk about, rather than having to mine the usual ragebait cesspool for clicks. Yes, the "BFC" moniker implies a gaming angle. But wasn't X3D more than sufficient to meet gaming needs of even 5090 gamers? Was there a big outcry for more CPU oomph, like for GPUs? Looking at it from every angle, I don't see the point to Nova, for gaming desktop. The only reason for it to make sense, would be that it's a necessary stepping stone to Razor. If it comes out as a limited/paper launch, then the supposition would bear out. As for the "new 4-digit" naming, Intel looks to be simply going back to the old 5-digit convention, except that the "teens" portion is now history with the new series. It would make sense to have the extra '0' placeholder suffix when the line is expanded to fit more model numbers. Personally, I've already written off 2027 as a loss. Onward to Razor and 2028. Reply
Vicecrow I'am waiting for ddr6. Maybe update to raptor lake next and keep my ddr4 4000 a little longer. Reply
thestryker me-three said: Not sure why Intel would care about winning gaming benchmarks at this point, when gaming is a distant afterthought for every chip vendor. In what world is gaming a distant afterthought for client parts? Gaming is the only thing Intel has not been able to outperform AMD on since the launch of the 7800X3D (Jan 2023). They've gone back and forth on everything else (aside from AVX512) throughout the generations which have launched since. Yet if you look at the general sentiment it's that Intel isn't competitive despite it really only being a narrow portion which isn't. This is simply because gaming is a primary driver for client sales to individual buyers. If your argument is that companies are focused on enterprise sales this is certainly true, but Intel's enterprise and client have an extremely narrow overlap. This isn't like AMD where client and enterprise use the same manufacturing nodes and has an overlap in CCD. Intel bought TSMC N2P wafer allocation which needs to be used, and currently none of their enterprise CPUs use TSMC nodes for any portion of them. That means they need to be looking at client parts for this manufacturing: PTL only uses an advanced TSMC node for the big Graphics Tile and ARL uses N3B so it would need to be retooled which would be a stupid waste of resources when they could make NVL instead. I don't particularly expect NVL-S to be a full SKU lineup, and it seems likely that bLLC will be relatively low volume, but this doesn't make it pointless. These parts aren't going to be aimed at the general market since that's been the hardest hit which is probably why the leaks have indicated bLLC are the launch processors. There's always a market for the fastest hardware and chances are these will fit that bill which means they'll sell. me-three said: Yes, the "BFC" moniker implies a gaming angle. But wasn't X3D more than sufficient to meet gaming needs of even 5090 gamers? Was there a big outcry for more CPU oomph, like for GPUs? So what you're saying is that this is a market Intel should simply cede to AMD then? Reply
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